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Sunday, May 11, 2014

Joint account found not to be the property of the surviving joint owner

Judging by the number of comments, questions, and email messages I receive that ask about joint accounts, the readers of this blog are very interested in knowing how joint accounts work when one joint owner dies. As I've blogged about before, inter-generational joint accounts held between a parent and child (or grandparent and grandchild, or aunt/uncle and niece/nephew) are no longer automatically considered to be true joint accounts in which the funds will belong to the survivor on the death of the older account holder.

The law now assumes that such an account is part of the deceased's estate, and that the other joint owner is a trustee of the account for the estate, until and unless it is established by way of evidence that the older account holder intended for the survivor to own the funds in the account. This assumption is called "the presumption of resulting trust" because the law presumes that a trust is the result of the account being held in joint names.

There's a reason for this major shift in the law. Too many seniors are adding the names of children, grandchildren, or nieces/nephews to joint accounts without understanding the consequences of that action. It's easy and cheap to do, and rarely does anyone even seriously consider how the law will affect this action. Of course, sometimes adding a name to an account isn't the senior's real choice, as it may be the result of elder financial abuse. In any event, the adding of joint names to bank accounts and other assets has created legal havoc in untold numbers of estates.

Recently in Ontario, the courts looked at the case of Lowe Estate v. Lowe. I found an excellent summary of the facts of the case, and its results, in an article by Ameena Sultan of the Toronto law firm of Whaley Estate Litigation. Click here to read the article.

The Lowe case was all about a joint account held between Mr. Lowe and his nephew. and whether the proceeds of the account should have been part of Mr. Lowe's estate when he passed away. The case was especially interesting because the court found that the joint account was not supposed to belong to the nephew when Mr. Lowe died, but neither was it part of the estate. Mr. Lowe had left instructions for his nephew to pay the funds to certain people, and the court said the funds were to go to those people. So the funds were paid to beneficiaries, but never passed through the hands of Mr. Lowe's executor.

A takeaway for everyone looking at joint accounts is that Mr. Lowe had left written instructions separate from his will regarding his account, and those instructions were enough to confirm that he never intended his nephew to own the funds in the joint account.

Another takeaway is that if you leave funds in a joint account with someone, on your death it may well take an expensive, lengthy court hearing to determine your intentions. There are better ways to accomplish your plans. Joint accounts are almost never the great idea people think they are. Talk to your estate planning lawyer to find out less expensive and more reliable methods of getting your estate to the people you want to benefit.

19 comments:

  1. Great now what about the other 99% of the public that doesn't know anything about presumption of trust & fully acknowledge bank documents with survivorship as being legitimate vehicles to transfer a gift to a loved one!!! The bank documents were created by lawyers and are highly screened by bank employees and usually done at banks where the client has been banking at for decades!

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  2. Good for Mr. Lowe! Now the other 99% have to face litigation & ridiculous lawyer expenses because of this ridiculous that barely anyone, even lawyers themselves, know nothing about!

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    1. You don't have to know the details of the law. You just have to know - and be able to prove - what the parent wanted to happen with the account.

      And believe me, it is NOT 99% who are legitimately sharing joint accounts with parents. I'd put it at about 10% with the rest of them willing and able to cheat the parents and the family out of the joint account funds.

      Lynne

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  3. Although I don't agree with this law. You are wonderful and very knowledgeable! I am dealing with this right now. I am not sure if I can rebut the trust on joint accounts that were gifted to me. Very stressful situation My self and my parent were completely unaware of the presumption of trust, she shared a very poor relationship with my siblings, but, did not want to appear to favour me and gifted me the right of survivorship and beneficial ownership, with nothing else than a bank agreement as proof! Certainly you can see my frustration!

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    1. Yes, I certainly can. The fact that I tell readers what the law says and explain how it works doesn't mean that I like each and every term of the law. But I have to live with it like everyone else and also have to work with it.

      Perhaps with any luck the others won't challenge your right to keep the account and you won't have to go through the problems some people have.

      Lynne

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    2. Below are the specifics of of rebutting the presumption of trust. All the accounts apply to these obligations:

      • Evidence contemporaneous to the transfer;
      • Evidence subsequent to the transfer if it helps determine intention at the time of transfer;
      • Bank documents;
      • Control and use of funds;
      • Any Power of Attorney;
      • Tax treatment of joint accounts.

      It is now with the lawyers. Do I have a chance?
      1)gifted me account on eve of birth of my daughter = contemporaneous
      2) I used funds for personal use with blessing shortly before joint was made, directly after, and right up to his passing
      3) Bank documents have survivorship
      4) I controlled account all transactions were made by me
      5) I became POA, after the joints were made. nOT ALL FUNDS WERE JOINT & HER NEEDED TO BE SOLD.
      6) fIRST YEAR OF TAXES ON THE iNVESTMENT SAVINGS i PAID TAXES. sUBSEQUENT YEARS - pARENT PAID ADVICE OF ACCOUNTANT

      What do you think Lynn? Do I have a chance? All bases are covered!

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    3. Yes, I think you do have a chance. The fact that the bank documents say joint is not of much help, because they say that regardless of the parent's intention. The facts about the control and use of the funds are great, as is the payment of taxes. Seems pretty good to me.

      Lynne

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  4. that is the BEST post! ^^^^ A real life rebut of trust! Is good enough to work out? What do you think Lynn?

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  5. This is best blog....so happy I voted for it! You give Lynn a predicament & she analyzes it for you, with accurate info. Not a word of lie, I went to see 3 lawyers for my mother's estate without even hearing about the accounts they claimed the "joint accounts are yours"!

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    1. Well that's kind of you. I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for the vote - as of today it looks as if we have fallen into 7th place.

      Lynne

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  6. I had a lawyer that mislead me! Said I would get all funds plus damages if I took my sister to court for the joint accounts. I got nothing but a large lawyer bill! Joint Accounts still stay with adult child in most cases, unless it was solely used and controlled by parent and did not have survivorship!

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    1. It's foolish of a lawyer to guarantee results of a court application because he or she cannot control the decision of the judge. It is also foolish of a client to believe a lawyer who says there is no way you can lose.

      Regardless of whether your lawyer made a mistake, I think you misunderstood. There is no way that "damages" would come into this at all since you didn't suffer any damage and that's would not have been the subject matter of this trial. I think you might be referring to "costs". That means that if you had won, you had the right to ask for (not necessarily receive) some money back from the people you sued to cover your legal bill.

      I think the blame is shared here.

      Lynne

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  7. Well the words "substantial indemnity" were used for cost and damages were asked for? Not lying. Now my lawyer is suing me as I refuse to pay. Brought issue to law society! He did misrepresent to me that "presumption of trust" was a sure thing for an adult child to surrender joint accounts to estate. I tursted my lawyer. My sister had no deed of gift, just bank records and agreement. Things must be different in Ontario.

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    1. No, I believe the lawyer said what you told me he said. That was a foolish thing for any lawyer to do. None of us can guarantee an outcome. It's one thing to say you have a good case and a good chance of winning. It's quite another thing to guarantee a win. You were right to turf him/her.

      Lynne

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  8. Its the balance of probabilities, that is it , to prove the accounts remain with survivor. 3 of 5 rebuts. 1) signed bank document 2) Use 3) Control 4) Did the survivor hold any other position of trust with the deceased? POA (Property or care)? 5) Was the survivor a beneficiary of a Life Insurance or RRSP/RIFF 6) Taxes paid 7) Close relationship 8) Was the beneficiary also the executor? 9) Was there corroborative evidence - did someone hear the deceased provide the gift? 10) Contemporaneous - Did the joint get made at a time of a special occasion wedding, graduation, birth of child? ANY THREE OF THE!!!! SE REBUT THE TRUST & MAKE THE ACCOUNT A GIFT....LAWYERS TELLING YOU TO FIGHT ARE WASTING YOUR MONEY!

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    1. Any three? There is no magic in the number three, my friend.

      The part you're forgetting is this. You may look at the facts and reach a conclusion about whether it's a gift or not. But not everyone may agree with you. If everyone agrees and sees it your way, there's no problem. Since you're not the judge, it really doesn't matter whether you think it's a gift. That's the thing about a court fight - there are at least two sides to every story.

      Lawyers don't "tell you to fight". When people go to see a lawyer, they are told what the law is and how it should impact their case. They are told what it takes to fight, and believe me, your average client needs absolutely no encouragement to fight. I wish fewer clients wanted that. The lawyer should give an estimate of what your chances are, what it will cost, and how long it will take to finish.

      There is enough work out there that lawyers do not need to tell anyone to fight, even if we wanted to.

      I really have to wonder why you spend so much time reading this lawyer's blog when you seem to hate lawyers so much. I tell it the way it is, from my perspective of 32 years in this business. I can tell you that there are some bad apples in the legal profession as there are in all professions, but your attempts to paint all of us with a very simplistic "they are all sharks" brush is way off base, naive, immature, and wrong.

      Lynne

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  9. I'm not a lawyer hater! I'm Thinking of how the law is causing such a problem as it is grey. You are a wonderful source of info, that is why I follow. But think of the idea of a presumption it is meant to be litigated...... make it one way or another and make it a requirement for lawyers drafting a will to address joint assets. The "balance of probabilities" is not the same as a "reasonable doubt" and there are so many factors in this mess that are make work projects for lawyers.

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    1. The lawyers only get involved in litigation when the clients cannot figure things out for themselves. Remember that very, very few cases ever make it all the way to trial. In most cases, the parties mediate or negotiate or at the very least exchange information. The lawyers tell them what the law is and the clients tell us what evidence or info or documents they have. In the vast majority of cases, people can manage to behave like actual reasonable adults and resolve things. The court - and the lawyers and the presumption of resulting trust - are there for the hard cases where nobody will compromise.

      Lawyers do not need "make work projects", believe me. We all have so much work we barely have time to sneeze. And besides, none of us could ever take a case to court without clients who refuse to compromise or settle. So, ball's in their court, not ours.

      Lynne

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  10. Lynn is a wonderful asset to estate knowledge and don't blame her for how the presumption works out! It is a presumption because it is common practice for parents to joint accounts for convenience, remember the "balance of probabilities." Check the Canadian Legal Information Institute webpage there are a most joint accounts are rebutted where joint accounts pass outside the estate and go to the surviving adult child. Lynn you are a great asset keep the knowledge flowing! Remember if you rebut a a presumption of trust in court the applicant pays your court costs.

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